{"content":{"sharePage":{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"20408313","dateCreated":"1266596420","smartDate":"Feb 19, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"jennawong6","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jennawong6","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iolaniwomenlit.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/20408313"},"dateDigested":1532140006,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"With Child Response","description":"I am not sure that my interpretation of Genevieve Taggard\u2019s \u201cWith Child\u201d is accurate, but I sensed a gloomy, penitent mood. The gloomy mood perfectly complements the grave issue that I believe Taggard is addressing\u2014unplanned pregnancy.
\nThe first stanza describes a woman\u2019s regret of conceiving an illegitimate child. She feels \u201cstupid as a stone\u201d for putting herself in this situation. She is \u201cno slim and languid girl\u201d at this point, suggesting that she had been before the pregnancy. This statement highlights her realization that her life will inevitably and involuntarily change along with her physicality.
\nThe second stanza was the most confusing for me because the pronoun \u201cyou,\u201d at whom this stanza is directed, does not have a clear reference. I interpreted \u201cyou\u201d to be the father of the child, though I am skeptical. A \u201ccleft\u201d is like an incision, which could mean that this man\u2019s beauty (\u201cbeauty\u2019s pulse\u201d) cut through the woman\u2019s body, overcome with love. A pulse is produced by the heart, so it may represent love, which has \u201ctaken body\u201d to produce a baby. Another clue that led me to believe that \u201cyou\u201d is the father is in the phrase: \u201chow you alone \/ Ponder our love.\u201d
\nThe last stanza is the woman\u2019s apology to her unborn child. The woman is aware of the child\u2019s probable future of loneliness, questioning her own motherly capabilities. She feels as though even the child fears such a life, as it \u201ctugs and moans \/ To be untangled from these mother\u2019s bones.\u201d
\nMy reaction to \u201cWith Child\u201d was primarily sympathetic. I felt sorry for the woman because she realizes that her mistake is impacting not only herself, but also her child. I also felt sorry for the child, who, as statistics of illegitimate, fatherless children show, may lead an economically and emotionally difficult life.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"20394371","dateCreated":"1266571793","smartDate":"Feb 19, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"mahayash","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/mahayash","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iolaniwomenlit.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/20394371"},"dateDigested":1532140006,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"With Child ","description":"
\nThis poem by Taggard emphasizes the build-up through pregnancy. I think perhaps that she was not planning to become pregnant because she uses words such as, \u201cnot glad\u201d, \u201cwindy trip\u201d, \u201cstupid\u201d, and \u201cbeast.\u201d Although the author talks about the hardships of the pregnancy, she talks about the beauty of the baby. The author also talks about her physical appearance as she is \u201cheavy grown\u201d, and how she feels the baby move inside her body. She has some negative feelings towards herself, but when the author talks about the baby, she says things such as \u201cponder our love\u201d and \u201cyour beauty\u2019s pulse.\u201d The author talks about how the baby will come out alone, and die alone eventually in the future. To me, it seems like the author is trying to explain that we come from the earth and when we die, we fall back to earth. She says that the baby will eventually take on his\/her mother footsteps and have \u201csecrets of its own\u201d, and goes toward \u201csolitary places and toward the windy world.\u201d Or the last stanza shows the baby actually being born as it \u201ctugs and moans to be untangle from these mother\u2019s bones.\u201d The poem gives a different point of view on pregnancy and the meaning of growing up.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"20394011","dateCreated":"1266567078","smartDate":"Feb 19, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"mariahariola","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/mariahariola","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iolaniwomenlit.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/20394011"},"dateDigested":1532140006,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"With Child","description":"i felt that this poem is about the tranistion from dependence to independence. Genevieve Taggard shows this transition by talking about the transition from pregnancy to a birth of a child.
\nin the first stanza Taggard describes to us what this mother had to go through during her pregnancy. Taggard used words and phrases such as "beast, worn one, windy trip, not glad, stupid, etc. her choice of diction emphasizes the hardship during a pregnancy.
\nin the second stanza she talks about the connection she has with her child when it is unborn and born. it seems as though she is saying that the connection between this mother and child is beautiful. one thing that i would like to go over in this stanza is where Taggard writes "my little death, not hers". i found that this phrase was out of context. the stanza went from talking about beauty to talking about death.
\nthe final stanza talks about the wanted independence of the child. the words used in this stanza gave me a feeling of frustration. i thought the last line meant that she wanted to be free from her mother, to be independent.
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\nthis poem illustrates Tita's wanting to be independent or away from Mama Elena. from the day Tita was born the mother-daughter connection was cut, due to her inability to breastfeed. ever since then Mama Elena made living hard for Tita. and now all Tita wants to do is be free from her mother.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"20393827","dateCreated":"1266565015","smartDate":"Feb 18, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"jamietaka","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/jamietaka","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iolaniwomenlit.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/20393827"},"dateDigested":1532140006,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Baby wants out!","description":"The beginning of this poem starts with a contrast between how the author has changed. Although she is trying to express that she had a "windy trip" (a difficult life, this might also suggest she did not get pregnant on purpose), she remains languid and torpid. By putting down herself and then talking about her child's beauty, she suggests that she is not worthy of having such "pure beauty" within her. It was interesting that she mentions that the "pulse has taken body." The pulse, thus heart, of the child forms before the body. The steady (pulse) affection (heart)of the baby is formed even before the actual child develops. While the child is experiencing he world through its mother's sensations, Taggard makes an interesting comment that she is "big with this loneliness" and wonders "how [her child] alone ponder[s] [their] love." Her statement is counter-intuitive in that the mother normally plans for her future with her child, but the speaker continues to feel separated from her child, while the baby considers its future. She explains her loneliness in the last stanza. The baby, which will probably express these same traits until after adolescence, has "secrets of its own," "its own concerns." It goes through a mysterious and exciting path, only to wind up in a "stark and solitary [ . . .] windy world of its own." The destination, the earth we live in, does not meet up to the excitement induced by the road taken. The last phrase was interesting because it ends by speaking about "mother's bones." The bones are more representative of death and make me think of a corpse whereas the baby is entering life. A baby's journey is depicted as a reversal of our life (death to life instead of vice versa).
\nThis poem sheds a new light on pregnant women. The mother in this poem, unlike the stereotype of mothers, does not seem to look forward to the birth of her child. She is unprepared, "stupid," and her "loneliness" is not compensated by her child's presence. Her comments on her baby's beauty contrasts with her ability to be gratified by its presence, which explicitly shows how women have an idea of what they should be (because of society's pressing expectations), but often do not carry the same desires.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"20393775","dateCreated":"1266564479","smartDate":"Feb 18, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"marigaliher","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/marigaliher","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iolaniwomenlit.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/20393775"},"dateDigested":1532140006,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"With Child-Poem Response","description":"This poem is quite interesting. I have a few questions. Is this a poem of the woman when she is pregnant? Or is this her watching the child grow up? I could see the poem being told from many different perspectives. I got the feeling or the "vibe" from the last stanza that the woman was pregnant because it sounded like someone was coming to life. This is very interesting because I began to read the poem thinking, actually assuming, that the mother had the child born already. Hmmm, I went through much of the poem thinking this, but became a little skeptical of this thought as I found the poet talking more about dark places. This dark place could be an obvious connection to the womb. The tugs and moans could be part of the kicks, cries, etc from the baby, and also the mother? The entire tone of the poem is quite gloomy; the narrator of the poem is the mother I presume. The narrator seems very dreary and rather unhappy or depressed. He\/She talks about being "stupid as a stone", a reference to being lifeless, which would be ironic because the baby is at the very beginning of its life. This poem has a creepy light to it, I felt that because it seemed so calm and relaxed, the narrator was saying such dark things about life and herself\/himself. My overall reaction to this poem was mixed- both a creepy tone, but somehow refreshing because a new life is being formed. I felt very sad, because there was an extreme longing and loneliness throughout the poem.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"20393707","dateCreated":"1266563854","smartDate":"Feb 18, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"bchun3","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/bchun3","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iolaniwomenlit.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/20393707"},"dateDigested":1532140006,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"With Child - Response","description":"The first stanza seems to fit the title, "With Child" because I can understand how a child can fit all those characteristics, like making a little girl stupid, and stone-like. However, as the poem progresses, there seems to be a detachment from the topic with child: the speaker talks about earthen roots and pulses. I do believe that these are associated with having a child, since a child is born with roots literally in a mother's placenta, it could be the umbilical cord, and the mother gives the baby a pulse. However, there's less and less examples as to how the second stanza relates to the first. And finally the third stanza, confuses me the most. I'm not sure how the author wants to leave the reader feeling about being pregnant. From this perspective, pregnancy does not seem to be pleasant or forgiving.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"20393559","dateCreated":"1266562416","smartDate":"Feb 18, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"superstarsouza","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/superstarsouza","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iolaniwomenlit.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/20393559"},"dateDigested":1532140007,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"With Child poem ","description":"I think that this poem is about a mother and child relationship. A mother will always have a strong connection to her child because for nine months this being grew inside of her. There is a connection made between the soon to be born child and the mother delivering it to this world. But like the poem says, near the end of the nine months the baby is ready to be free from the mother. Not free as in independent but free from inside. Even though the baby is no longer physically connected anymore there is still a strong bond that has been made. Another strong bond comes from breast-feeding the child. The child becomes more and more dependent on the mothers presence and another type of bond is made.
\n Like Water for Chocolate is a perfect example of mother and child connections and relationships, or lack there of. Tita was the only child that was not breast fed by her mother, which caused no relationship or connection to be made. This unfortunate event no only made Tita`s life miserable because of a lack of love that she tried to make up for with men, but it caused her to resent her mother. Even though there is a time in every child\u2019s life where they feel it is time to be free from their mothers, Tita always felt the need to be away from her mother and tragically never experienced the beautiful connection that a mother has with her child.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"20385593","dateCreated":"1266544515","smartDate":"Feb 18, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"katobin16","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/katobin16","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iolaniwomenlit.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/20385593"},"dateDigested":1532140007,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"With Child","description":"I think that this poem can be read on two levels. First, is that it is a poem of universal growth. In the first stanza, the author expresses her evolution over time, and how she has grown. This is universal feeling, as all people at one point or another experience growth, and so this is easily relatable. The poem illustrates a rhyme scheme of aa bb, which also contributes to its feeling of universalism. However, the last two stanzas clearly show that the poem is oriented towards women, as it illustrates the ideas of pregnancy and motherhood. In the second stanza, the woman describes her love for her unborn child, and the changes that she has undergone physically and emotionally. In the larger concept, there is the idea of how motherhood and nature are related as can be seen through the last two lines of the second stanza. In the final stanza, the mother appears to realize that nature will not allow her unborn child to go through life without suffering, and that instead she will undergo the same pain that her mother one underwent. Additionally, while the second stanza is 8 lines, the first and last are 6 lines each, which indicates that while the child (the second stanza) may be a new joy, it will undergo the path that the mother (stanza one) once had.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"20393755","body":"Also, this poem is very similar to Tita and Mama Elena. Mama Elena experienced a great deal of pain throughout her life, and her pain is not fully revealed until she is dead, and only then is it revealed that she and Tita share the same destiny that Nature appears to have confined them to.","dateCreated":"1266564357","smartDate":"Feb 18, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"katobin16","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/katobin16","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"20370703","dateCreated":"1266529283","smartDate":"Feb 18, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"noelleisswell","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/noelleisswell","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iolaniwomenlit.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/20370703"},"dateDigested":1532140007,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"With Child","description":"I think that this poem is about the relationship mother has with her child not only when it is born, but the relationship starts when the mother is pregnant. \u201cLike a sleek beast, or a worn one,\u201d shows that the woman is already comfortable with her being pregnant and her baby has mellowed down and has almost become part of the mother. Throughout the poem, the mother seems to be coming further ad further along with her pregnancy and she says \u201chow heavy I am grown\u201d because it shows the baby is growing with her. \u201cTo be untangled from these mother's bones\u201d is not only showing that the baby is being born, but it could also be a metaphor. Children will grow into adults and want t be \u201cuntangled\u201d from their parents\u2019 grip on them.
\nOn relating to what we are doing in class, this poem slightly reminds me of Mama Elena and Tita. This is because like a baby in a mother, Tita was trapped being with her mother. As the book continues though, Tita is \u201cgrowing\u201d more and wants to be free from Mama Elena as if \u201cTo be untangled from (her) mother's bones.\u201d","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]}],"more":false},"comments":[]},"http":{"code":200,"status":"OK"},"redirectUrl":null,"javascript":null,"notices":{"warning":[],"error":[],"info":[],"success":[]}}