{"content":{"sharePage":{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"16872985","dateCreated":"1258154703","smartDate":"Nov 13, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"loyamash","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/loyamash","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iolaniwomenlit.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/16872985"},"dateDigested":1532141306,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Pop","description":"I was very shocked by this article, even though when I was first reading it, I thought it was a cool idea. I mean the parents have good intentions so that the child can make its own choice and have no gender barriers, but the more I read the more I realized that this experiment could be very devastating for the child. The child would be very confused and be ridiculed by other children. The child would have emotional problems and at this early age they cannot make choices for themselves. They will have no mold or guide in anything. I believed that this plan is very flawed because the child will have to be isolated from society because they will be influenced by the stereotypes within society. No matter how hard they try, gender issues and stereotypes will affect their child when they are placed in society. I feel very bad for Pop because although it is growing up in a gender neutral upbringing, it will not technically be a defined person and know their identity. Pop may often feel lost and I feel sorry it.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"16859725","dateCreated":"1258137307","smartDate":"Nov 13, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"ramintzl","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ramintzl","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iolaniwomenlit.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/16859725"},"dateDigested":1532141306,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"PoP:)","description":"I think that the parents in this situation are not helping their child. He is going to grow up not knowing where to fit in. It will be a very confusing life for him. Which restroom will he use? What friends will he have? The parents are not looking to the future, but rather focusing on the present times. It definitely is unfair that Pop did not have a say in this. It is his life, and I think he should grow up knowing what gender he is and being allowed to choose for himself.
\nI do not think that the quote is entirely true. Stereotypes and gender roles have a huge impact on a child\u2019s life. The people we surround ourselves with ultimately shape who we are as an individual. Yes, children are programmed with certain characteristics of male or female, but their surroundings have a bigger impact on them in the long run.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"16859205","dateCreated":"1258136744","smartDate":"Nov 13, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"bailsfishy","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/bailsfishy","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iolaniwomenlit.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/16859205"},"dateDigested":1532141307,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Pop lock and drop it. Pop goes the weasel. Mr. Popper's Penguins.","description":"By keeping Pop's gender a secret the parents are limiting Pop. Yes Pop won't have to be defined by any specific gender, but Pop also won't get to associate itself with anyone which will isolate Pop and make it difficult to relate to others. Do they let Pop pick between dress and pants, or do they just dress Pop up however they want? Let Pop make his\/her own decision. What if Pop wants to be stereotypically girly and wear pink dresses and draw pictures of ponies? Being brought up in androgyny will only make it more difficult for Pop to relate to others of Pop's gender (and relations to the gender Pop is attracted to) when Pop decides what he wants to be like. Just let the kid be!","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"16852521","dateCreated":"1258130212","smartDate":"Nov 13, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"alisongoo","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/alisongoo","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iolaniwomenlit.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/16852521"},"dateDigested":1532141307,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Pop","description":"I found this article very shocking. I have never heard of anything like. I definitely think that by keeping Pop\u2019s gender a secret, his parents are isolating Pop from the rest of the world. They are going to alienate Pop from the rest of his peers when he begins school. In opinion I do not think that Pop will be able to grow up \u201cnormally\u201d because Pop is only going to be confused about its own identity and how to relate to every one else. I\u2019m not to sure whether or no this is going to be positive or negative. My feeling is that it will either be very positive giving the child all opportunities or very negative because the child will be very confused about whom they are. I feel that it was the choice of the parents to refuse to release the gender of pop because Pop, at two years old, would not be able to make that choice. However, once Pop can understand the situation the option to release their gender should be its choice. I feel the quote about children growing to be who they are regardless of stereotypes is true to an extent. However I do feel that there can be many factors that can influence a child. For example, stereotypes, media and their peers.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"16835531","dateCreated":"1258103202","smartDate":"Nov 13, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"Supergroovalisticprosifunksticat","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Supergroovalisticprosifunksticat","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iolaniwomenlit.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/16835531"},"dateDigested":1532141307,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Pop","description":"I think the psychological experiment that these parents are committing is definitely interesting, though very questionable ethically. The choice to keep her gender secret to the world will definitely impact the child in a very unique and intriguing way. Whether this impact will be beneficial or harmful remains to be seen.
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\nMost definitely, I think that the actions that the parents are taking will ostracise the child from the rest of society. People tend to fear things that they don't understand and are unusual to them. Pop is both. I have no doubt that in little time Pop will be known as the freak kid, that no one can figure out. Nonetheless I think that it will definitely give Pop a freer outlook on life. If this is kept up for a long enough time, Pop may never assimilate preconceptions about gender, making for a very interesting take on the world in the future.
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\nThe more I think about it though, the more I think it will harm the child. Not only will Pop grow up without many friends, but once grown up, if it does rid the child of gender role conceptions, he or she will find great difficulty in fitting in. Sure, we might first celebrate this as a great feat of individuality, but how unique and independent can you be before you become extremely lonely? I personally don't think that such a possibly traumatic experiment should be done, simply because it's not the parent's right to do such a thing to their child. Possibly scarring the child for life is not worth testing out a really cool "What would happen if...?" question.
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\nAs to whether this will affect the gender of Pop in the long run, I agree with the scientists. Research has been done that has found gay male brains to be very close the female brains. Similarly, research has found genes in sheep that make them gay. If gender is genetically determined, and the brain's development is greatly affected by this, then eventually Pop will glide over to one side of the scale. I guess we'll just find out how many of our gender differences are inherent.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"16835417","dateCreated":"1258102633","smartDate":"Nov 13, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"studloaf","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/studloaf","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iolaniwomenlit.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/16835417"},"dateDigested":1532141307,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"secret gender","description":"I think that by keeping Pop's gender a secret, they are bringing upon the child much more hurt than harm. This is simply because the child will be different. In our closedminded society today, the child will be looked down upon, and most likely not heralded as a hero. I think that Pop is not actually being helped by being free. THe rules that society gives are not always bad. These rules help an individual to be able to understand other people better if there is a set pattern. I think that it is unfair that the parents made this decision for Pop because he is still an innocent child. I think this choice to raise Pop up this way is negative simply because it brings strife to the child. I feel that the person who made the comment cannot make that claim. This is because we as human beings constantly feel the strain of societies rules. We as human beings are social people. It is only natural that society has some rules in place, and that some rules are there for a reason. I don't think that this type of different behavior is helpful, but it could be. Maybe the child will be the happiest kid in the world and will one day be famous. Clearly, I am more of a pessimist on these types of issues.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"16835267","dateCreated":"1258102181","smartDate":"Nov 13, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"loganokie05","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/loganokie05","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iolaniwomenlit.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/16835267"},"dateDigested":1532141307,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Holding a Big Secret","description":"For the purpose of making this discussion simpler I will refer to Pop as a \u201che.\u201d By keeping Pop\u2019s gender a secret, the parents are definitely isolating Pop from the world. Pop has to be treated for the sex he is. He may be living his life more freely, but of course Pop will have a harder time growing up. The parents should not confuse Pop about his gender because mixed thoughts will fill his head. He may grow up feeling a bit disturbed and confused because he does not know which gender he should follow. Since society is critical with the way people act, Pop should be taught at a young age the proper way to behave. Making Pop genderless will negatively affect him in the future, which is completely unfair.
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\nA child walking in a classroom wearing a dress one day and baggy shorts another will obviously receive unwanted attention form classmates. This child would be labeled as weird. Personally, I would not want to be associated with such a child if I were in that class. Also, if Pop is actually a boy, but he prefers having a female gender, then things will get complicated fast. For example, what restroom would he use? Or with whom will he fall in love with? It is much easier and better for the child if they have a set gender when growing up. I conclude that the parents are simply crazy or they just want public attention.
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\nI agree to the comment on the article to a certain point. Kids will be who they are regardless of gender stereotypes and roles until a certain age. At the age of around five, children start to make more observations of the society and engage in activities they \u201cshould\u201d participate in. Kids will start hanging out with their own sex and do the same activities as each other. Eventually, most kids will grow up and follow their gender stereotypes and roles.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"16835263","dateCreated":"1258102168","smartDate":"Nov 13, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"aolsen24","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/aolsen24","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iolaniwomenlit.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/16835263"},"dateDigested":1532141307,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"2 year old Secret","description":"No not really isolating. I think it is more they are giving Pop options to be whatever Pop wants to be. I do believe though that at a young age it will make Pop confused, because a lot of times children confide in other students because they can relate to them and sex is a big deal. The whole "boys (or girls) have cooties." I just think it will be extremely different and maybe difficult for Pop.
\nI guess it depends on how you define "normal." I think it may be harder for Pop to make friends because people today are very judgmental and would find Pop strange and avoid being friends with Pop. I don't think she will lead a normal life because as said, a lot of who we are is how we are brought up and what gender we are associated with. I think Pop will have a hard time figuring out who Pop really is and what he or she's role in society is.
\nI really don't know how it will affect Pop. I think it could go both ways. It could cause Pop to have a hard time socially or Pop could be just as normal as anyone else around Pop. I guess if it is not fair to the baby to choose what gender to associate them with, it must be unfair to not choose and make the baby seem both. It almost is unfair to the child because it might cause more conflict that could have been avoided if they chose.
\nNo I don't think that this is true because I know I am affected by my gender. My family does although always say I should have been a boy by the way I act, which kind of goes along with the comment. I think the choice of friends also has a very large role in how the person decides to act. I found this article super interesting to read and opened my eyes to something I never even thought about.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"16834695","dateCreated":"1258098991","smartDate":"Nov 12, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"dramatic_superstar101","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/dramatic_superstar101","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iolaniwomenlit.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/16834695"},"dateDigested":1532141307,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Breaking the Gender Roles","description":"I think the parents\u2019 attempt at \u201cfreeing\u201d Pop from gender roles is well meant, but I can also foresee problems in the future such as a lack of identity. It really depends on how encouraging Pop\u2019s parents, peers, and how strong Pop\u2019s own confidence and personality is to see if the outcome is helpful or harmful. I think Pop will have a difficult time growing up \u201cnormally\u201d because that is what Pop\u2019s parents are trying to do, to break the normalcy of gender-typing children. If Pop can truly break the gender roles in Sweden by overcoming societal pressures, Pop will be an icon, a symbol for change and freedom thought impossible thus far. If Pop manages to do so, his\/her lifestyle and upbringing can only bring positive results. It again is a wonderful undertaking, but I hope it does not hurt Pop psychologically, etc. As it being unfair, there are many other less well meant ordeals\/situations\/expectations thrust upon children (and not saying that just because there are worse, this is ok) so I repeat, I feel that the parents are doing this to help Pop and are not putting him\/her through it wishing him\/her harm. I don not agree with the comment that person left. There are always 3 parts of a person: the biological, psychological, and the social aspects. Only under drastic circumstances can social aspects be disregarded such as total isolation. Everyone changes and develops due to societal pressures and the opinions of others. From the very birth of a child, people ask for the sex of the baby to see how they should treat it and what to say about him\/her. Subconsciously, people treat children differently according to their sex.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"16834557","dateCreated":"1258097810","smartDate":"Nov 12, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"prho","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/prho","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iolaniwomenlit.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/16834557"},"dateDigested":1532141307,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"POP","description":"I think that Pop is being isolated and I feel sorry for him since this may cause mental damage to him in the long run since the rest of society is different from what Pop is. No one is normal so Pop would have been different. I don't understand why the parents would do that. I think this could turn out very horribly wrong in Pop's future. I don't think this is very fair for Pop, but there is no stopping what his or her parents want for her. I think that kids will be who they are until they are taught how they should act, but there are differences in the way the two different genders act. Teaching the child both gender stereotypes may just confuse the child and end up hurting Pop.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]}],"more":true},"comments":[]},"http":{"code":200,"status":"OK"},"redirectUrl":null,"javascript":null,"notices":{"warning":[],"error":[],"info":[],"success":[]}}