{"content":{"sharePage":{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"16294663","dateCreated":"1257231138","smartDate":"Nov 2, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"bailsfishy","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/bailsfishy","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iolaniwomenlit.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/16294663"},"dateDigested":1532140243,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Women at War","description":"I understand that women should have an equal right in the military and should have the same opportunities to serve their country in the same way as men, including work on the front line. However, having women serve on the front line would be impractical because they are needed elsewhere for jobs that are gender specific. The article said that women were more trusted by civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan, and therefore better at being welcomed in people's homes and getting information. Plus, Americans value women as child bearers, nurturers, etc. and generally see them as weaker and needing more protection so they are less likely to put them in the middle of hostile fires. Also, it is impractical to have separate tents for men and women on the front line. Also I heard someone say that if there was a man and a woman near them, both wounded, they would go to the woman first to help her, but in a period of combat, it may be more beneficial to aid the man first. Another comment I heard was from a mother who said that if her 240 lb son was wounded\/dead she wouldn't want a 120 lb woman dragging his body back to the tank\/base\/safe spot\/whatever. That is toootally understandable. If there are only 6% women in the military (i think that's what the 6% referred to...) then they should stay where they are needed in the jobs they are assigned. Also, I can understand why Afghanis trust American women more than men. American women are viewed as the kinder, gentler species, where men are the more intimidating looking ones with their big guns and their large weapons. (catch the pun?) Women seem more approachable, maybe it's because their voice is softer or they aren't as tall, or because they aren't as high a status in Afghan culture.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"16206273","dateCreated":"1257071785","smartDate":"Nov 1, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"trrivera","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/trrivera","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iolaniwomenlit.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/16206273"},"dateDigested":1532140243,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Women at War","description":"Women should be given the chance to serve at the front line in times of war. Women serving at the front line at war is no different than a man serving at the front line. No matter what gender, a person should be given the opportunity to serve at the front line as they please.
\nThird gender- "female marines are extended the respect shown to men, but granted the access reserved for women" To be honest, the term third gender is completely unnecessary. There really is no need for a third gender term. Females are marines and should be shown the same respect men are given still while being granted the access reserved for women. Both men and females should be given the same amount of respect, proving the uselessness of the term "third gender." I guess I would say third gender is positive. I would say so only because women are shown respect and gives women power and control.
\nI would think some people may be opposed to women serving at the front line because some think women are "weaker" than men. Men are the stronger and protecting gender whereas the women are the vulnerable, caring gender. Thinking about being protectors, I think of the Titanic movie, women and children are put on rescue boats as the men wait in the ice cold water.
\nI think the Afghans would view women as more compassionate and trusting than the men. Afghans probably have trust in the women more than they do the men. Going along with the stereotype, women would be more trusting and caring and generous compared to men. (Not saying this is true, but a thought.)","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"16183665","dateCreated":"1256941889","smartDate":"Oct 30, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"aolsen24","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/aolsen24","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iolaniwomenlit.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/16183665"},"dateDigested":1532140243,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"women at war","description":"I think that women should be able to serve on the front line in times of war because if they are trained correctly they have just as much potential to do well as the men. The "third gender" means the"female marines are extended the respect shown to men, but granted the access reserved for women." This to me is negative because its says that women cannot be given respect without the uniform and are only look at as submissive and kind, not that, that is a bad thing. I just think that shouldn't be an option. I really found this article interesting because it gave me a view I never thought i would understand. The men are known to be unkind and ruthless because they are the only ones the Afgans know, but since now they incorporatiing women into the front line they prbably think that women are less threatening than the men are.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"16183311","dateCreated":"1256940867","smartDate":"Oct 30, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"studloaf","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/studloaf","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iolaniwomenlit.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/16183311"},"dateDigested":1532140243,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"women in war","description":"I do believe that women should be allowed to fight along the front lines in times of war. I believe this for many reasons. The main reason is that if women are to be treated equally, then they should also be given the right to fight along the front lines in times of war. I think that the term third gender is actually a positive thing. It may seem negative because they are being called something different, but it is more important that the females be treated with more respect. Many people would oppose having women fight on the front lines because they feel that women are physically weaker than males. Other reasons for the opposition of women in war include topics such as: sexual problems with men and social discrimination. Afghans would trust women more than men because in Middle Eastern culture, women are looked down upon. This decreases the threat that the Afghans would feel towards the Americans. Another reason that the Afghans would trust women more is because women are typically less surly than men.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"16183215","dateCreated":"1256940660","smartDate":"Oct 30, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"Supergroovalisticprosifunksticat","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/Supergroovalisticprosifunksticat","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iolaniwomenlit.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/16183215"},"dateDigested":1532140244,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Women Soldiers","description":"I'm somewhat unsure of my position on whether women should be allowed to serve on the front lines. It can't be argued that on average, men are more stronger in a physical sense. In a combat situation, strength serves a great deal of importance. That being said, I am sure there are women who are strong than men and men who aren't all that strong. Nonetheless, putting a weaker person in such an important and stressing position isn't the best tactical idea. Perhaps women should be allowed to join, but only after passing a proficiency test. Even better, make all members of the military take such a test and then be graded by ability. That way tacticians know who to put where and have an overall better knowledge of their soldiers.
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\nI believe the term third gender served to act as a metaphor. Neither the traditional roles of men or women applied to the FET's, rather they had their own gray area of roles. I think it is a positive distinction, because it means that they have gotten the afghans to transcend traditional gender roles, even if only for a small group.
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\nI believe they trust the women more than the men because of the way their society is constructed. After all, men are much more dominant and aggressive in middle eastern culture, whereas women are supposed to be submissive. Because of this, the FET's appear less threatening than the average male soldier. This allows the afghans to open up better to them.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"16181909","dateCreated":"1256938003","smartDate":"Oct 30, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"loyamash","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/loyamash","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iolaniwomenlit.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/16181909"},"dateDigested":1532140244,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Women at War","description":"I think that women should have their own say, but be advised of the dangers and consequences that they may face.
\nI think that the term "third gender" is both positive and negative. Negative because they can say they are not women but a third gender. But it is positive because they have a role played that is more effective than if a male were to perform the same job.
\nPeople would be opposed to having women on the frontline because it is dangerous and people think they might be ineffective.
\nThe Afghans trust the women more because of the stereotype of women as being more caring and understanding because of their perceived nuturing nature.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"16177145","dateCreated":"1256931351","smartDate":"Oct 30, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"alisongoo","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/alisongoo","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iolaniwomenlit.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/16177145"},"dateDigested":1532140244,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"women at war","description":"I definitely believe that women should be allowed to serve in the frontlines of war. As I mentioned in Brianna\u2019s current event, I feel that women, in the past several decades, have proved that they are just as capable as men mentally and physically. Men, who serve in the frontlines during war time are considered heroes, so shouldn\u2019t women have that same opportunity to sacrifice themselves for their country. Not allowing women to serve in this way is not staying true to the idea of gender equality. According to the article, women marines are being viewed as the \u201cthird gender.\u201d These women are creating mutual relationships with the Afghans, and gaining the respect shown to men and the access given to women. I feel that this is a positive step toward gender equality because it shows that women are being recognized as equals. It is possible that Afghans view women as more trustworthy because of women\u2019s nurturing characteristic. The article mentioned that the Afghans feel that men come only to fight and women come to help. All in all, I believe that women should be allowed to fight in the frontline if they choose to. And the Afghan response to female soldiers is a positive step for women.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"16158749","dateCreated":"1256913024","smartDate":"Oct 30, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"dramatic_superstar101","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/dramatic_superstar101","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iolaniwomenlit.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/16158749"},"dateDigested":1532140244,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Women at the Front","description":"I'm not sure why women do not serve on the front line (I never knew such a law existed). I'm ignorant, therefore, I do not know if it's a physical barrier: they cannot run as fast, fire as much, etc., or if it's because they're women and are more "frail" and men feel protective over women. If it is the second reason, it is nice of the men to feel so and I am not saying I wish women to be more in danger seeing as it is easier to hurt a woman physically (rape) or torturing, etc. However, I simply assumed that when women were also allowed in the army, they do the same jobs as men in all the same fashions. If women are as capable of doing a man's job as they have been found to be in other areas, then they should be able to serve their country if they wish.
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\nI feel that the "third gender" is less negative then when I first perceived it. The Afghan villagers are simply acknowledging that the women are American with their own agendas, but theirs are more focused on kindness and communication than guns and intimidation. Women are simply more nurturing than men by nature, and, not that they cannot be violent, as this article shows, when given the chance to go on the front line and fight, they do their "fighting" as more diverse and smart rather than strong. They do do body checks, etc. but their main success that got everyone in the Defense Department all shaken up is that women are more social creatures; they can relate to other women without the relationship being intimidating or uncomfortable in any way as it could easily be with men especially demanding stranger men with guns. Overall, men\u2019s testosterone makes them prone to aggression and to rely on their physical strength. Physically women are weaker than men, and therefore, rely more on wits and as we can see, it has taken women far.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"16149811","dateCreated":"1256891629","smartDate":"Oct 30, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"peaceispossible808","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/peaceispossible808","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iolaniwomenlit.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/16149811"},"dateDigested":1532140244,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"women on the frontline","description":"I absolutely think women should be allowed to serve on the front line at war. It's a feminism issue. Women are capable of doing anything men can do and therefore should be subject to the same rights. I think it's great that women are stepping out of the norm and trying new things. This is a great example of the shift towards gender equality discussed in Brianna's article.
\nWhile the term "third gender" may initially seem derogatory as it implies that women serving in war can neither be classified as men or women, from another standpoint the term may actually be positive. In Afghani Muslim culture, women are suppressed as we saw in "Persepolis." In Muslim culture women are not allowed to dress "indecently" much less serve in war. However, these American women are coming to Afghanistan dressed in fatigues and fighting in the war alongside the men. The Afganis acknowledge that the women are there to help and they are accepting them on their own terms and welcoming them into their country. The term "third gender" refers to the fact that these women are not men but they are also not the typical Muslim women and that's ok.
\nThere are many reasons why people would be opposed to women serving in war. As we saw in Brianna's article, for a very long time women were known as housewives, caring for the household while the men did all the "dirty work." This image, although it is slowly fading, is somewhat still built in to people's minds. Many people think that women are not meant to fight and it's a job strictly for men.
\nIt's hard to say why Afghans trust women more than men. One villager said, \u201cYour men come to fight, but we know the women are here to help.\u201d Perhaps it's that mother-figure concept. It is generally believed that women have an inborn sense of protection like a mother to her children. Women are reliable while men are sometimes depicted as fighters but not necessarily guardians.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"16149803","dateCreated":"1256891594","smartDate":"Oct 30, 2009","userCreated":{"username":"peaceispossible808","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/peaceispossible808","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iolaniwomenlit.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/16149803"},"dateDigested":1532140244,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"women in on the frontline","description":"I absolutely think women should be allowed to serve on the front line at war. It's a feminism issue. Women are capable of doing anything men can do and therefore should be subject to the same rights. I think it's great that women are stepping out of the norm and trying new things. This is a great example of the shift towards gender equality discussed in Brianna's article.
\nWhile the term "third gender" may initially seem derogatory as it implies that women serving in war can neither be classified as men or women, from another standpoint the term may actually be positive. In Afghani Muslim culture, women are suppressed as we saw in "Persepolis." In Muslim culture women are not allowed to dress "indecently" much less serve in war. However, these American women are coming to Afghanistan dressed in fatigues and fighting in the war alongside the men. The Afganis acknowledge that the women are there to help and they are accepting them on their own terms and welcoming them into their country. The term "third gender" refers to the fact that these women are not men but they are also not the typical Muslim women and that's ok.
\nThere are many reasons why people would be opposed to women serving in war. As we saw in Brianna's article, for a very long time women were known as housewives, caring for the household while the men did all the "dirty work." This image, although it is slowly fading, is somewhat still built in to people's minds. Many people think that women are not meant to fight and it's a job strictly for men.
\nIt's hard to say why Afghans trust women more than men. One villager said, \u201cYour men come to fight, but we know the women are here to help.\u201d Perhaps it's that mother-figure concept. It is generally believed that women have an inborn sense of protection like a mother to her children. Women are reliable while men are sometimes depicted as fighters but not necessarily guardians.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]}],"more":true},"comments":[]},"http":{"code":200,"status":"OK"},"redirectUrl":null,"javascript":null,"notices":{"warning":[],"error":[],"info":[],"success":[]}}