{"content":{"sharePage":{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"18609457","dateCreated":"1262782544","smartDate":"Jan 6, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"prho","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/prho","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iolaniwomenlit.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/18609457"},"dateDigested":1532140892,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"work","description":"Maybe women feel like that their boss knows best, but that doesnt really happen. Kids make good negotiators because they know what they want and are not afraid to show it. Women need to negotiate because it is just a common interaction that should happen in the workplace. Bosses may pay women less maybe if they feel that they can take advantage of them. I dont really enjoy bargaining, but it might be that the males like the competition.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"18608607","dateCreated":"1262772047","smartDate":"Jan 6, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"studloaf","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/studloaf","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iolaniwomenlit.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/18608607"},"dateDigested":1532140892,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"women in the workforce","description":"Women do not feel they are entitled to more money simply because they are used to not being paid more. I also think they they are too scared to ask for money because it is not really socially acceptable to ever ask for more money. Don't get me wrong, it is a welcome opportunity for everyone to get paid more, most of the time. However, I feel that these women don't feel they are entitled to more money because they feel they are getting paid what they deserve. I think that kids make better negotiators than women because kids have that innocent look. These kids can make other people feel bad because they are not as much of a threat as a woman. Another reason that kids make better negotiators than women is because they don't feel the social roles as much. They can be more brazen because they don't think as deeply about the negative side effects of the actions as a full grown human would. I don't think that women should need to negotiate for money because I feel that men and women should have about the same pay. I think that bosses pay their female employees less because that is the way tradition started in the first place. I think that these long-standing traditions should become more fair to women because women should be paid the same amount for the same amount of work. I also feel that bosses pay their female employees less because women are able to take maternity leave, which is usually not a good thing for the company to deal with. Men turned bargaining into a sport because humans generally tend to enjoy competition. I think that they thrive on it because it has become something that is socially acceptable, so they can follow their innate desires and compete. I think that they enjoy bargaining to the point of sport because as I have mentioned earlier, it is usually more fun to compete with others.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"18607811","dateCreated":"1262757898","smartDate":"Jan 5, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"dramatic_superstar101","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/dramatic_superstar101","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iolaniwomenlit.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/18607811"},"dateDigested":1532140892,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Bargaining for Women","description":"I think there are many different reasons why women do not ask for more money. It could be that they just do not think about it. They could be more focused on providing for themselves or their families and other tasks than getting more cash. Women tend to care more about emotions, etc. than cold hard cash (most but not all). Another reason is that they don't want to rock the boat. Everything's ok, the job's decent, and the pay is reasonable, why push their luck? Lastly, it could be, as the article was trying to push, their lack of self esteem or their shy\/scared personality to ask for something. Now that I think about it, it would feel a little presumptuous and selfish to demand more. However, in many situations, I understand that women deserve more, but if you think about the actual asking of more money,etc. it seems conceited.
\nI think kids make more\/better negotiations because they are concerned with their own happiness and what makes them happy rather than others or the consequences of demanding what they want at THIS INSTANT. Adults on the other hand have had time to learn that they cannot get or should not get everything they want for the sake of themselves in the future or the sake of the greater good of those around them.
\nI think women get paid less because they are still thought of as weaker and less competent than men. Since they tire more easily, they supposedly cannot put out as much results as men or as well. Bosses need to consider their levels of intelligence and the strength of not just their stamina but their minds, too.
\nMen like competition and they like material things (tend to more than women, VERY generally). It's in their genetic code; be the best, make the most, be the most secure to rule their household, lives, the world, etc. Men are usually more forceful when taking what they want and so why should negotiating more money be any different?","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"18587821","dateCreated":"1262718659","smartDate":"Jan 5, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"tiaokemura","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/tiaokemura","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iolaniwomenlit.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/18587821"},"dateDigested":1532140893,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"women in the workforce","description":"Why do women not feel that they are entitled to more money? Or are too scared to ask for more?
\nThey could feel as though they are not entitled to more money because they are happy with what they are doing. Perhaps their husbands make money too so they don't need as much. They could be scared because they are intimidated by their bosses, but that goes for anybody, not just women.
\nWhy do kids make better negotiators than women?
\nBecause kids have a way of charming adults. They have less worries because people won't punish them for being kids. They have less inhibitions.
\nWhy do women need to negotiate to begin with?
\nThey need to negotiate because they are underpayed sometimes. This could be anyone though, not just women.
\n What makes bosses pay their female employees less?
\nI don't think they necessarily pay them less because they are women, but because they are in positions of lower authority than men usually are. I think in this day and age bosses don't discriminate against women on purpose anymore.
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\nMen have turned "negotiating to sport; they thrive on it"--why? What makes men enjoy bargaining to the point of sprt?
\nThey like it because if they can negotiate to get more money or more things than that's better for them. I believe that it's not a bad thing to stand up for what you belive in.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"18583197","dateCreated":"1262714512","smartDate":"Jan 5, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"ramintzl","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/ramintzl","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iolaniwomenlit.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/18583197"},"dateDigested":1532140893,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"wOmeN iN thE WorKfoRce. ","description":"I really enjoyed reading this article about women in the workforce and how their pay reflects their willingness to negotiate. I believe that the issue is not about women feeling like they deserve less money\u2014in fact it very likely could be the opposite\u2014I think the issue is about them not being willing to fight and argue for a higher pay. In nature, women are generally more sensitive and caring. They are less likely to question their pay and therefore will end up receiving the same salary.
\nOn the other hand, kids make better negotiators because they don\u2019t think about what the other person will think of them. They aren\u2019t worried about the consequences of their actions, but rather only think of the positive results that could come out of it.
\nThe article says that men \u201cthrive\u201d on negotiating. I think this is true to some extent. Men have a dominance factor that plays into their jobs. They want to be the best and if they feel they are not being treated like they should be, they will demand more or else quit. In general, I think a lot of people enjoy negotiating\u2026 not just women. Ultimately, it seems like this pay raise issue has more to deal with being outgoing and not afraid rather than a gender issue.
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\n~Rachael","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"18580795","dateCreated":"1262711070","smartDate":"Jan 5, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"trrivera","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/trrivera","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iolaniwomenlit.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/18580795"},"dateDigested":1532140893,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Women and Bargaining","description":"Wow, I never would have imagined women would be less likely to negotiate than men. And, I guess it's ironic how women are paid less, have less privileges than men and yet they don't bother to bargain with their boss. The article gave many ways in which one might try to gain more through bargaining. I thought the most interesting tip was "listening to your kids." I never really thought, but when I was a kid, I was a pretty good negotiator like the two children in the article. :)","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"18591373","body":"I'm unsure how to edit my post so I'll just reply to it.
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\nWhy do women not feel that they are entitled to more money? Or are too scared to ask for more?
\n-Perhaps (not necessarily true) women feel that because they are paid less than men for the same amount of work, employers do not take women as seriously as they do men therefore if a woman tried to bargain or negotiate for more money, the employer will simply laugh and think of it as a joke.
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\nWhy do kids make better negotiators than women?
\n-I think kids make better negotiators than women because children tend to be very stubborn and if they do not get their way, they cry or pout. They simply do not take no for an answer due to their stubbornness.
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\nWhy do women need to negotiate to begin with? What makes bosses pay their female employees less?
\n-I honestly do not know what makes bosses feel they can and should pay female employees less. I can understand if every inexperienced worker male or female is paid less, but if only female employees are paid less, bosses may feel females will not stand up for themselves so they will just accept the lower pay. And that's exactly what they are doing according to this article: accepting the lower pay and not bargaining for more.
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\nMen have turned "negotiating to sport; they thrive on it"--why? What makes men enjoy bargaining to the point of sport?
\n-Again feeding off the stereotypes, maybe males feel that if they negotiate and win, they have control. Perhaps they simply love the challenge that negotiating and bargaining brings.","dateCreated":"1262722299","smartDate":"Jan 5, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"trrivera","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/trrivera","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]},{"id":"18568787","dateCreated":"1262679732","smartDate":"Jan 5, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"kimroy","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/kimroy","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iolaniwomenlit.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/18568787"},"dateDigested":1532140893,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Women at the Bargaining Table","description":"It's unfair that women usually receive less pay than men for the same work. After reading this article, however, I feel hope that this situation can change. Instructing women to toughen up and negotiate for what they deserve is another great way to empower them. While I know that some women and men fail to negotiate to avoid awkward confrontations, I think that many women are unconsciously absorbing this criticism toward our gender that we should be something lesser than men. No more!","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"18568677","dateCreated":"1262676510","smartDate":"Jan 4, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"loganokie05","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/loganokie05","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iolaniwomenlit.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/18568677"},"dateDigested":1532140893,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Women Negotiating","description":"Concurring with this article, I believe women are generally less aggressive than men. This would include many types of aggressiveness such as arguing for money. For mostly biological reasons, women are more tame and passive than men. Society also plays a part in their calm demeanor. The majority of women would settle on an offer, but men would definitely feel a need of greed and demand more money. I am not saying that all women are passive because each person is an individual and has their own emotions and personalities. When discussing a salary, the negotiator should not take advantage of a person because of their gender. Everybody should be treated as equals in all situations. If one person is able to do a job with great efficiency, they deserve high pay relative to their job. Even though gender should not make a difference at the negotiation table, the negotiator is trying to get the best deal, so I do not blame them for using as much advantages as possible.
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\nI am not sure about the article\u2019s statement about learning how to negotiate from children. The fact that children constantly want things does not make them good negotiators. They speak without much thought. I am sure that when most people sit down to make a negotiation, they always leave wondering if they could have gotten more. The only way one can come out a winner is if they speak up. Children just speak whatever their mind tells them, which makes them appear as strong negotiators. Women should speak up to get the benefits they deserve. I am sure that anyone that is prepared with supporting information towards their stance and not afraid to speak up will be a winner in a negotiation.","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[],"more":0}]},{"id":"18557321","dateCreated":"1262640736","smartDate":"Jan 4, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"aolsen24","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/aolsen24","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"},"monitored":false,"locked":false,"links":{"self":"https:\/\/iolaniwomenlit.wikispaces.com\/share\/view\/18557321"},"dateDigested":1532140893,"startDate":null,"sharedType":"discussion","title":"Men vs. Women at the Bargaining Table","description":"I have to agree with these facts, but I know it also depends on the person and their character. If they are shy, of course they will not speak up and take whatever is given to them, but if they are outspoken they have a much higher chance of speaking up for themselves than the shy ones. I think it also depends on the culture the come from. Western culture is focused on men and schools were made by men for boys, so they train them to be outgoing and outspoken. Yet, women are taught to be respectful, shy and coy.
\nI find it very important for women to speak up for themselves so that they get the amount of money they deserve. It is better to try than to regret it for the rest of your life and making you feel worth less than you are.
\nI find it interesting that even though kids are great negotiators and we are suppose to take hints from then on how to negotiate, why do we suppress them and tell them to be respectful and not do that? What happens between that time of childhood and adulthood when we stop negotiating?","replyPages":[{"page":0,"digests":[{"id":"18591501","body":"Ali, I like your few questions at the end of your summary\/response! It's weird thinking you can actually learn something beneficial from a child many many years younger than you! I wonder, when do you change from "not taking no for an answer" to i'd rather not bargain?","dateCreated":"1262722468","smartDate":"Jan 5, 2010","userCreated":{"username":"trrivera","url":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/user\/view\/trrivera","imageUrl":"https:\/\/www.wikispaces.com\/i\/user_none_lg.jpg"}}],"more":0}]}],"more":false},"comments":[]},"http":{"code":200,"status":"OK"},"redirectUrl":null,"javascript":null,"notices":{"warning":[],"error":[],"info":[],"success":[]}}